...Wait, what? Declares war on the human race and attempts to kill both GV and Joule?! Now where the heck did that come from?!
Honestly, that was pretty much my exact reaction when I came to the end of the game. To this day, I still can't figure out what went wrong with Asimov, even after reading through all the cut text. Throughout the entirety of the story, almost nothing appears amiss about him, even if he does have his eccentric moments. On the contrary, his actions only lead you to believe that he's a real hero and honorable leader. Sure, at the beginning of the game, he persists that GV kill Joule even after learning she wasn't hostile, but he doesn't take any drastic measures against GV after he disobeys the order. GV simply just has to leave Feather. And further showing that he's a fair guy, Asimov gives orders to hold off the enemy reinforcements to allow GV to escape the Sumeragi facility. And further than that: he still allows GV to work for him, even if he's not an official member of Feather anymore.
Asimov's betrayal at the end of the game is overall just a really, really weird plot twist to me, as there's no notable event that leads up to it, not even a hint. To all appearances, it just looks like Asimov woke up on the wrong side of the bed one morning and decided to take his frustration out on the whole human race. I get how Inti Creates wanted this turn of events to be a surprise, but it ends up being a surprise that really makes no sense. Asimov never expresses a bitterness towards normal humans such as Monica and Joule. When you're writing a story, it's just good storytelling to narrate the circumstances that lead up to a character's betrayal, otherwise, the situation just turns out awkward. I get how Asimov may have felt overly resentful towards Sumeragi's treatment of Adepts and that may have led him to such drastic measures, but again, that's not mentioned before his betrayal. The end result is a bunch of people wondering when they get to this part in the game, "Wait, did I miss something somewhere?"
The thing is, I can't help but think this situation could have been easily remedied. There were a lot of conversations in the Japanese version of Gunvolt. Why couldn't Inti have dedicated one of those conversations to providing a "link" of some sort to make Asimov's betrayal seem more logical? It's hard to say, but who knows? Maybe we'll receive an explanation of some sort in Gunvolt 2.
I'm pretty sure it KIND of hints at it in one of the Drama Tracks.
ReplyDeleteYou're right, actually. Asimov does hint towards his true colors to Monica in the "Ninja Arts" Drama Track, and it's actually really enlightening to listen to. I still think it would have been a better call to put that in the game, though. I mean, the drama tracks are great and all, but I think the game storyline should really take priority when it comes to featuring that kind of a scene, especially since most people like to beat a game before exploring extra content in drama tracks.
DeleteI generally assume (and got this impression/idea from my first playthrough) that really, the man just snapped.
ReplyDeleteMore particularly, snapped from the addition of the discovery of the Glaives and their effects, and then Copen's hunting/ability to suckerpunch adepts (Asimov does target him, after all). Pile that onto all of Asimov's backstory and the discovery of Joule, and it was just a bridge too far.
I actually have this really brilliant theory on it that I've discussed with my some of my friends that have beaten Gunvolt but I'll refrain from saying too much as I don't want to possibly spoil the second game for anyone
ReplyDeleteSo slight spoiler alert
Just keep in mind that there is a person out there who can create illusions and has done so before
Specifically
So, you're saying it's possible that GV's encounter with Asimov was nothing but an illusion created by that character?! Holy moly, that'd certainly be a plot-twist!
DeleteThat would be pretty amazing but I'm thinking more along the lines that someone was changing what was being heard by both parties to create confrontation
DeleteI've got a whole crazy conspiracy about it
It's me again
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry because I think that I may have misinterpreted your reply
If I'm correct you reached the same conclusion as me but I thought you meant something different because I misread it
Re reading your reply now makes me believe this as the previous case I was thinking you meant is most likely impossible
Sorry again as I forgot to include this as well
ReplyDeleteI assumed that you meant that everything was an illusion but I believe now that you meant what my theory is
That the talking part was an illusion as
It would be almost impossible for the whole thing to be one
Please let me know what you meant
I have a huge theory and idea about this if you'd like to know about it
I'd love to hear another fans take on it
Right, yeah, I was just referring to Asimov and GV's conversation, not the entire plot of Azure Striker Gunvolt.
DeleteSorry I didn't make myself clear by everything I was referring to the entire GV and Asimov scene including the fight which would be impossible if all that was an illusion
DeleteSo what do you think of my theory
I guess it's possible, but would that illusion-making character really have been in the condition to do something like that? After all, Acura DID appear to beat him pretty badly.
DeleteNotice how you used the word "Appear"
ReplyDeleteillusions are supposed to make things appear like how they really are not
a lot of fans on forums have pointed at that there is a specific sword that has a different dissapear sequence than the others
in mighty gunbolt there is a boss than can make it look like there are multiple of them which can attack and even be destroyed
the boss can even hide in reflective surfaces
Asimov's glasses seem to fit that description perfectly
maybe Copen had something on him also
Well, we've seen that that character can make illusions of himself, but do we know for a fact that he can make illusions of other people?
DeleteAlso there is a boss that is said to be as strong as Nova and GV
ReplyDeleteI have a hard time believing that someone like Copen could take someone like that down
especially by having only three weapons in canon
not to mention Copen has only Canonly fought three adepts
That boss
GV on two occasions
and Asimov
every other time he just let GV beat the boss and took the spoils
also for the sake of argument
if that character was in bad condition than they had a lot of time to heal
if they had been hurt at all
and on the extremely off chance they died they could have been revived and just stayed hidden
but I'd put my money on it being an illusion that the boss just faked death so they could stay hidden to cause mischief
this also makes since if the boss new Asimov back in the day
I've never insinuated that he could make illusions of other people
ReplyDeletehe never even had the need to
Well, Copen's profile states that he's a genius, and Asimov himself praised his skills. It's pretty evident that Copen's in a league of his own, so I don't think it's too surprising that he'd take down that other character, especially if he had a special gun (and bear in mind, that gun proved a serious problem for Asimov and almost killed GV). Also, if Copen didn't beat him, how was he able to obtain his special skill?
DeleteWhat if that character was with Copen the entire time
ReplyDeletenot as in working together but hid with him to make look liike he had been defeated
also cannonly he would not have had those bullets as the first three bosses are
merak
jota
and viper
That's kind of a weak argument, though, as the player can choose any of the initial six bosses to fight first, including Carrera.
DeleteTrue but it's mostly agreed among fans that the order is left column then right column
ReplyDeletebut this is pure conjecture so I agree with you that he could have had them
I personally go left to right
ReplyDeleteand then top to bottom as it makes the fight more interesting
but remember that GV gave Asimov info on Copen like the abilities he had
and Copen himself states that Asimov doesn't have data on this which only makes sense if he didn't have it in the initial fight
what do you think
Yeah, that could be true. But it's also possible that Copen was just testing GV at the time and opted not to use his trump card against him.
DeleteIn my opinion Copen is the kind of guy that always goes for the kill
DeleteAlso Copen has stalked GV for most of the game so he already had a good idea of what he was capable of
ReplyDeleteAlso sorry to say this but your argument is kind of weak as in the game if he has it he'll use it
ReplyDeleteRemember Copen's supreme goal, though: to wipe out all the adepts. And it's important to keep in mind that Gunvolt was actually -helping- Copen. When Gunvolt defeated a Sumeragi boss, Copen stepped in and absorbed its ability. Gunvolt was basically doing Copen's work for him. I can totally see how he wouldn't have wanted to kill GV on the spot during their first encounter, as he was still useful to him. There were still more Sumeragi adepts that he wanted defeated, and it'd be way easier to have GV take care of them for him.
DeleteThen why didn't Copen let GV fight Nova at the end of the game?
Deletehe will try to kill any adept that stands before him
I really can't wait for Xonda's profile
Deleteif they give him one
also if they did a side Story of Copen fighting him that would bring a lot of things to light
Yeah, definitely would. Pretty interested to read Zonda's profile myself, as we know so little about him and his alter-ego.
DeleteYeah but since he's supposed to be shrouded in mystery I don't think there gonna give him as detailed a one as the others
Deleteodd that my other reply didn't show up
it was
then why didn't Copen let GV kill Nova for him
Copen wil try to kill any adept that is in front of him
Also if I was a betting man I'd say than Copen's sister is an adept who has been hiding her powers from him
Deletewill probably be in the next game as GV's new love interest/rival for Joule
wil probably have powers that compliment GV's
maybe control over metal specifically silver
Maybe he was just so angry for revenge against Gunvolt that he wasn't thinking rationally. His profile does state that he has a tendency to go wild when fighting adepts, and that's often why he meets with failure.
DeleteGood point but such a attitude would have gotten the better of him if he fought for example
DeleteI don't know
someone who can create illusions
That would have also gotten the better of him when he started losing against GV in the first fight which would have caused him to whip it out
DeleteI really don't think that Asimov can be the bad guy because he seemed to act out of character at the end
Deletealso if that was his true ambition all along then he would have raised GV to be like that from the start
hating and resenting humans
but he did not evident from GV's line
maybe you should have been more open about it then
Also Asimov's last words were touching in my opinion
DeleteI don't know if it was real or an illusion but they were amazing
I don't hate you gunvolt
I just wish that I'd done better by you
you can't stop adepts from rising up
Wether you fight for adrpts or against them
with a power like that you have to fight for something
the future is in your hands
I might have made a few mistakes but that doesn't sound like the ramblings on an evil person
With a power like that you
Why didn't Copen let GV kill Zonda then
Deletemaybe he wanted to reveal himself and test GV but GV should have been more careful after he beat the rest of the bosses
also if Copen had an opening to kill GV he would take it
your idea is certainly possible but would make more sense if Copen was a boss that you didn't need to beat but you do and he'll kill you in the game
That would be an amazing easter egg if he doesn't use it during the fight even if he has it
ReplyDeleteAlso the plan was stupid because just because a person has both their parents as adepts doesn't mean that they are going to be an adept
ReplyDeletealso unless Asimov is the first striker like I hypothesized
he is a human
he was an artificially created adept
sure he can hate his creators but not all of humanity
so that doesn't make much sense
he must've tried to kill GV because he was under an illusion where GV was evil
Well hey, who can say for sure? Guess we just have to play the sequel to know for certain.
DeleteCouldn't agree more
Deleteany idea when we'll get more info on it
Well, GDC's coming up in March and that's where a lot of developers like to announce news on their games. Maybe Inti will share more info then.
DeleteI'm intrigued to know what you think of Asimov
DeleteDo you think that he's the cliche villain
Or have I provided enough conjecture to give reasonable doubt
Or do you think that it's still too soon to decide
I believe that since this is the guy who was GV's savior, teacher and father both U.S. and GV need to give him more credit
I mean he showed up to a karaoke party and sung with Moniqa
He had absolutely no reason to show up except to spend time with his team or make it look like he was good but no one was gonna question him if he was busy
So what do you think
I personally think that he was just a character subject to bad writing. I think Inti Creates intended for him to be the true villain, but they did a bad job explaining the events that led to his betrayal. That said, we do see his true colors a bit in the "Ninja Arts" drama track, where he says to Monica (talking about the other human members in Feather): "Do they fear us? Do they become our enemies? Several of the supporting non-Psychics... expect something in return...However... I feel something...a bit different from you..."
DeleteAnd Monica in turn replies: "I think there's a lot about you...your lifestyle... that isn't understood. No... not even I can...understand...your deepest spots."
So yeah, if you were asking me, I would say (based on the drama track) that Asimov indeed was bad news. Maybe not exactly the most "evil" character, but his sense of justice was definitely messed up.
I personally expect more from Inti than that considering their pedigree and their current works
DeleteI heard that drama track as well
which indeed hints at something but what that something is I can't say for sure
I mean there he was having a somewhat normal conversation with Moniqa who is a non psychic
I think that it's possible it was referencing to how like GV
Asimov has had a tough and difficult life but no one was there to save him
this would make even more sense if he was the first striker
but that's just conjecture once again
if I were to take the story at face value I would agree that he is evil but a weird and confusing evil
I just believe in my theory because I don't think the character of Asimov makes sense otherwise and I expect more from Inti
Also does anyone else think that the fact that the first azute striker being found in south America is not only a reference to mew but Blanka also
DeleteDo you think that we'll be fighting Quill in the next game also as GV would probably belive that Quill is evil now
DeleteWhat do you think happened to Zonda?
DeleteI personally think that my theory has small merit to it and is possible
DeleteI also want to believe that the story and characters are better writen than that
because if I am right then it would add a whole new level of depth to the story and chatacters
just imagine it
what's your opinion on my ideas plausibility and what do you think about it
Sorry if I spoiled the next game for you
ReplyDeletebut I hope it's so awesome that I'm wrong become I couldn't think of something like it
do you know if we'll get bios on Gino and Moniqa
Really sorry if I spoiled anything from the sequel for you.
ReplyDeleteMe again here
ReplyDeleteSpoilers and possible spoilers ahead
Just replayed Gunvolt for the eleventh time but this time I noticed something weird
Something foreshadowy
When you get the bad ending or rather the first ending you have a conversation with Joule and Lumen
The first time around I never thought much of it but now I realize a few things
First of all Joule says a little into it
But whether you walked into a dream
Followed by Lumen who says
Or out of some phantasmagoria
Nothing wrong with that right?
I mean seems like a simple explanation for how GV sees them both alive but remembers them all dying
The only thing that seems off is the word phantasmagoria
Odd right
You'd think that the word nightmare would have sufficed
It almost seems like they went out of their way to include it
But that's really no big deal
But then the word seems familiar
I mean everyone's heard it at least three times , right?
But this time it reminds you of something in Gunvolt
It reminds you of Copen's bio where it is stated that Zonda's ultimate move is phantasmagoria
Probably just a coincidence, right.?
I think not
They went so far out of their way to include that specific word as they ignored all the other simple synonyms
Could this be hinting us that GV's conversation with Asimov was in fact some sort of illusion or phantasmagoria if you would
This theory is further perpetuated by another line spoken
Lumen says
Seriously bro we've all got one foot in fantasy and one in reality
Taking what I've said above and before into consideration this seems to be the game telling us that all is not what it "appears" to be
ReplyDeleteIt serms to be hinting that half of what happened with Asimov was real and half was fake
the speaking part is perhaps what was fake
Looking over this it seems that the game has some hints that seem to substantiate my claims
Just thought I'd share this new finding of mine
What do you think now?
You could probably write a speculation page about it
Also when are Elise's and Careera's bios coming out
Sorry dude but I think you're reading way too much into this
DeleteYour theory could use some polishing here and there but it sounds amazing. I hope that this is what they have in store for us. It would make an awesome story with some real depth and drama.
DeleteSomeone make a fan fic about this theory already.
ReplyDeleteit seems awesome imo.
My friend who helped me come up with the theory is actually working on one but he said that he isn't going to upload anything till Gunvolt 2 comes out and he beats it.
Deletewhich will be soon.
Can someone please tell me what Asimov's real name Takefutsu is supposed to mean.
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